真是稀罕事：芬兰少年竟然渴望加入中国人民解放军

大帝

这是一位15岁的芬兰热血少年为加入中国人民解放军而发的帖子，一步步翻下来，最大的感触是，不懂不要紧，千万不要装，否则真正的牛人出现，会让你难堪的。帖文中，bd popeye就是这样一个反面教材。另外，帖子回复的不激动，不上火，不冲动，不问候别人老祖宗的理性风格也值得我们大家学习，有则改之，无则加勉。

　　Could non-chinese join PLA？

　　外籍人士可以加入中国解放军么？

　　PLA Soldier（楼主）

　　As seen in topic， my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLÀ？ This not a joke， I´m talking dead-serious about this。

　　如题，我想知道非中国公民加入解放军是否可能？大家别笑，我是认真的。

　　TOP↑

　　评论翻译

　　bd popeye

　　In my short 5 year study study of the PLA the answer is no

　　The answer can be found in this link below。

　　http：//www。militarytimes。com/static/。。。3dnplanavy。pdf

　　Before you make any more post in the forum I suggest you read the forum rules。

　　FORUM RULES： Things to Remember Before Posting， important， please read！

　　Thank you and welcome to the forum！

　　由我五年来对PLA的研究来看，答案是否定的。

　　你可以看看下面的链接，其中有你要找的答案：

　　http：//www。militarytimes。com/static/。。。3dnplanavy。pdf(美国人的出台的中国海军报告，有时间可以去看看)

　　另外，请你以后发帖前先读读本站版规：

　　FORUM RULES： Things to Remember Before Posting， important， please read！

　　谢谢，欢迎来到本论坛！

　　PLA Soldier

　　Thank you for your answer。 But， would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship？

　　多谢你的回复，但是，如果我放弃原来的国籍，加入中国国籍呢，有可能吗？

　　bd popeye

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by PLA Soldier

　　Thank you for your answer。 But， would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship？

　　Nope。。Someone asked that question previously。。several years ago in fact。 Perhaps in this thread or in theold ez board days of 5 years ago。

　　You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA。 All others need not apply。

　　You >>> PLA soldier <<edit 5 minutes later。。。

　　Let's see as near as I figure you live in Finland and are only 15 years old according to your profile。 So in most countries you have to be 17 or 18 to join the military。 So just wait until then。

　　还是不行啦，有人最近问过和你一样的问题……好吧，是几年前，也许是五年前，当时这个论坛的版本可能还处于ezboard（公告板）时代吧。

　　你首先必须生为中华人民共和国的公民，才有资格加入解放军，其他一切免谈。

　　你，解放军战士，两者无缘，放弃吧，还是加入你自己国家的军队吧，这才是王道。

　　五分钟后重新编辑……

　　进一步说吧，由你的资料，我猜你住在芬兰吧，15岁，在大多数国家，法定参军年龄大概在17到18岁，所以，你还是再喝几年奶看看吧。

　　Finn McCool

　　There's always the Legion Etrangere

　　总是有外籍军团存在滴。

　　Damingli85

　　What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen？

　　如果一个中国人先换成美国国籍，然后又恢复中国国籍呢？

　　bd popeye

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by Damingli85

　　What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen？

　　Nope

　　还是不行。

　　Quote：

　　You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA。 All others need not apply。

　　I should have stated a natural born Chinese citizen。

　　我的意思是你必须是一个土生土长的中国人。

　　HKSDU

　　answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA

　　连香港和澳门的年轻人都不让加入解放军呢。（ID显示应为香港人）

　　bd popeye

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by HKSDU

　　answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA

　　Thank you！ No Tibetans。。No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China。 No foreigners。

　　You have to be a Chinese person born in China。 Period。

　　多谢啦，西藏人不行，蒙古人不行，这些生活在中国西部省份的或者其他地方的非中原人种都不行（？），更何况是外国人？

　　你必须是一个土生土长的中国人，讨论到此为止。

　　

大帝

backwindow

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by bd popeye

　　Thank you！ No Tibetans。。No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China。 No foreigners。

　　You have to be a Chinese person born in China。 Period。

　　Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghuｒs are doing service in PLA。 If they are chinese citizen。

　　解放军中是有西藏人，蒙古人，维族人在服役的，如果他们是中国公民。

　　lcloo

　　I was working in China， and I watched CCTV7 regularly。 There was a Uyghu girl in PLA medical unit going round villages giving health aid。 I remember she was an officer but I forgot her rank。

　　There are also many non-Han PLA soldiers in Inner Mongolia and Guangxi provinces。 Zhuan people in Guangxi are non-Han Chinese。

　　我曾在中国工作过，时常看CCTV7军事频道，里面看到过一个维族医护兵女孩在给一些村落的人们提供医疗救助，我记得她是个军官，但忘了是什么军衔了。

　　的确有很多非汉族士兵在内蒙古和广西服役的，广西的壮族就不是汉族人。

　　Damingli85

　　But I was born in China！ I just got my citizenship here for college 。

　　可我以前就出生在中国啊！我只是为了上大学才换成现在的国籍。（这个华人后悔换国籍了）

　　backwindow

　　Although people from Hong Kong and Macau are legally Chinese citizen， they do have different passport。

　　尽管香港人和澳门人都是中国公民，可他们却有着（跟大陆）不同的护照。

　　kw64

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by bd popeye

　　Thank you！ No Tibetans。。No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China。 No foreigners。

　　You have to be a Chinese person born in China。 Period。

　　Sorry but this claim is not true， it's not unusual for Chinese minorities to serve in PLA：

　　很抱歉的说，bd popeye你的说法是不对的，中国少数民族去参军的情况很常见啊。

　　Here's an example of an Uygur officer：

　　tres

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by bd popeye

　　Thank you！ No Tibetans。。No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China。 No foreigners。

　　You have to be a Chinese person born in China。 Period。

　　That's not true。 In the history of PLA， there were many people from other countries， including USA， Canada， and India joined PLA。 In fact two of the most famous WWII era military doctors were Canadian and Indian。

　　bd popeye 你说的不对，在解放军历史上，有很多人是来自外国的，包括美国，加拿大，印度等，实际上，（中国）抗日战争中最出名的两位军医，一个来自加拿大，一个来自印度。

　　Today you could see Tibetan， Mongolian， Korean and Urger soldiers in uniforms in different ranks。

　　如今，你可以找到很多军衔不一的藏族，蒙古族，维族的士兵。

　　bball2k

　　Hmm。。。this is interesting。 Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA？ CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube。 Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside。 Uyghurs have been shown also。

　　According to wiki， a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either。

　　恩，蛮有趣的，你们从哪听说非汉族人不能加入解放军的？ CCTV7几个月前刚刚播过一期有关藏族士兵的节目，一些在西藏执勤，一些则在其他地方，关于维族士兵，也早就播过了。

　　根据维基百科资料，一个名叫赵南起（Cho Namgi）朝鲜族人，官至3星上将（1988年），当过军队指战员，党委书记，所以说少数民族将领晋升受到限制的说法也不成立。

　　feifei

　　according to some report published in chinese froum，some divisions，which had serviced in the fouth Field Army of PLA， raised many koreas in the War of Liberatio。 and then these koreas came the Korean War。

　　根据一些在中国论坛上公布的报告，解放军第四野战军旗下的一些部队在解放战争期间曾征募了很多的朝鲜裔人，之后的韩战（抗美援朝），是这些人奔赴到前线参战的。

　　PLA Soldier

　　kw64， thank you very much！ Your information has been most usefull this far。

　　KW64，多谢你了！你提供的信息目前最有用了！

　　kw64

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by Finn McCool

　　I'm just curious， why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly？

　　Well there are plenty of foreign nationals in the U。S。 military and French Military， so I guess it's not completely unusual wanting to join some other nation's military。

　　话说回来，在美国和法国军队里面都有很多外国裔战士啊，所以我想，这种想参加别的国家的军队的想法并不是完全不可理喻的。

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by PLA Soldier

　　kw64， thank you very much！ Your information has been most usefull this far。

　　No problem It's actually surprisingly easy to apply for Chinese citizenship。 The only prerequisite requirement is that you have to be a legal residence living in China。 There are no language or minimum years of stay requirements。 Due to the economic boom， in recent years there's a spike in number of foreign nationals applying for Chinese citizenship (mostly from Africa and South/Southeastern Asia)， and the Chinese government generally maintains a relatively open policy towards Citizenship Applicants so far (unless there's politically sensitive issue involved)。 The only one thing is that the Chinese government does not recognize duo-citizenship， so you have to give up your previous citizenship once you got the Chinese citizenship。

　　不用谢啦，事实上，现在申请中国国籍巨简单，唯一的先决条件就是，你是生活在中国境内的合法居民，还没有语言或者居住年限的要求。源于经济的迅猛发展，这些年，申请中国国籍的外国人数量出现井喷（大部分来自非洲，南亚，东南亚）。目前为止，中国政府总体上执行的是一个相对开放宽松的公民申请政策（除非涉及到政治性敏感区域）。唯一需要记住的是，中国政府不承认双重国籍，所以，在获得中国国籍的时候，无可避免地，你同时就失去了你的先前国籍。

　　lcloo

　　To Finn McCool

　　对Finn McCool说：

　　Joinging PLA is a family honour in China nowadays。 There is a saying in China that you get paid joining army in foreign countries but you have to pay to joing the PLA。

　　加入解放军如今被视为一种家族荣誉，在中国有这种说法：在别的国家，是别人花钱请你参军，在中国，是你自己花钱来求参军。

　　Honor is something all face loving Chinese treasured。 Also they get trained in PLA for various skill like driving， engine repairs etc。 Other benifits like vocational traning and job placement after discharge， pirority in getting railway tickets， special rates hotels for servicemen all over China。

　　荣誉感，是所有爱面子的中国人都珍视的。在军中，他们还接受诸如驾驶，引擎维修等等的技能培训，其他好处像，职业培训，退役后的工作分配（貌似已经不分配了吧），轨道交通乘车优先，差行人员旅馆住宿费减免等等。

　　People in poor villages are living in extreme hard conditions， and joining PLA and getting trained is a dream to many。

　　对于大多数生活在农村极端困苦环境下的人们来说，参军受训绝对是可遇而不可求的。

　　PLA Soldier

　　Weel， I did already know that cost of getting Chinas citizenship is to give up old citizenship。 But， still， it would be the cost of joining the PLA。 Yes， I&acute;m seriously thinking about joining the Chinas army。

　　我已经知道了换取中国国籍的代价就是丢掉原来的国籍，可是，比较能加入中国解放军这件事而言，代价依然是值得的。是的，我正在认真的考虑这件事。

　　LostWraith

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by Finn McCool

　　I'm just curious， why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly？

　　Joining the PLA has many social benefits when you retire as a veteran， and you can learn many skills that may be helpful in finding a job in an urban center later on。 You get a decent salary and is free from housing and living expenses。

　　参加解放军后，一旦你服役期满退伍，是可以享受很多的社会福利的。你可以学到一些用得上就业技能，（服役期间）每个月领到一份不错的薪水，而且没有住房，生活上的开支。

　　Another bonus is that since China is at peace and is in no hurry to fight wars everywhere， you don't really have a chance of getting killed (accidents aside but those are present in civi life as well)。 This makes the army a safe job and a good one。

　　另外一个好处，鉴于中国现在处于和平时期，没必要担心会打仗，所以你丢掉性命的可能性微乎其微（事故致死另当别说，因为在日常生活中，也会发生的）。在中国，凡此种种，使得参军变成一份安全并且体面的工作。

　　T-U-P

　　Quote：

　　Originally Posted by PLA Soldier

　　Weel， I did already know that cost of getting Chinas citizenship is to give up old citizenship。 But， still， it would be the cost of joining the PLA。 Yes， I&acute;m seriously thinking about joining the Chinas army。

　　You do realized that as a foreigner， china doesn't give out its citizenship easily。 It's not like Canada where you will get one if you stay for x number of years。 Last time I heard from the news was that China only grants citizenship to distinguished individuals who made an impact for a better China。

　　你也知道啊，对于一个外国人，中国是不会轻易地颁发给他一个公民身份的。不像在加拿大，只要待够X年，你就可以拿到公民证了。之前我听到一个新闻，说中国政府只会将永久公民身份颁给对中国有杰出贡献的个人。

　　PLA Soldier

　　I understand that Chinese citizenship is hard to get。 If they ask reason， I say that I want to join PLA， and you know， fresh meat for the grindery？

　　我了解拿到中国国籍的困难程度，如果他们问我申请理由，我就说，我想加入中国人民解放军！你们知道的，玉不琢不成器嘛。

　　PLA Soldier

　　

大帝

So， the conclusion： So， it is possible for western men to join PLA， if they move to China first and gain citizenship。 What comes to the other discussion， good mens does become soldiers。 If not， this world would be much more darker place to live。

　　现在我来做结吧：一个外国人加入解放军是可能的，前提是他们必须搬到中国去住并且获得中国国籍。至于我们讨论的第二个话题，我认为好男儿应胸怀投笔从戎，惩恶扬善之志。如果没有了这份志向，我想这个世界会变得更加黑暗不堪吧。

大帝

论坛帖子长度受限制，一个贴要分几份才行。

夜里行舟

什么事都有，什么人都有。

一生幸福

要求加入是好事。